4N16 - Grapevine Canyon

Lucerne Valley, California (San Bernardino County)

Last Updated: 04/05/2020
4.5 / 5 ( 4 reviews )
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Status: Open
Typically Open: Year Round
Length: 6.2 miles
Highest Elevation: 5751 feet
Duration: About 1 hour, 15 minutes
Shape of Trail: Straight Through
Best Direction to Travel: N/A
Nearest Town: Lucerne Valley
Nearest Town w/ Services: Lucerne Valley
Official Road Name: BLM JF 3225 & 3223, National Forest 4N16 & 3N14
Management Agency: Lower, BLM & Upper, San Bernardino National Forest
District: Barstow Field Office & Mountain Top District
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Highlights

Highlight: 4N16 - Grapevine Canyon
Located on the north slopes of the San Bernardino mountains on the east end of Apple Valley and overlooking Lucerne Valley is a hidden gem named Grapevine Canyon. The trail starts at BLM Juniper Flats boundary and ascends over 3000 feet showcasing breath taking views of the entire Victor Valley and Lucerne Valley's below. The trail will twist and turn as it carves up the canyon walls while being treated with spectacular views along the entire way (you will also have plenty of areas to stop and pull over to enjoy the views and take pictures). During the evening hours, the city lights will light up the valleys below while still remaining dark enough to take in the starlight from up above. There are even some cool points of interest along the trail if you look hard enough - from rock faces to scenic views, you will find this trail to be very rewarding.

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Route Information

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Waypoints

1. Start Of Trail (0 mi)
Trail starts as a sandy wash road and will require 4WD for best traction - it's a gradual uphill so 2WD vehicles will have a difficult time unless you have lots of forward momentum. This is also a good place to air down your tires. Look for the custom built house to your left on top of the hill as a marker for the trail entrance. Trail will be marked with BLM JF 3225 signs about 0.7 miles from the start to indicate you are on the correct trail.

Directions to Trailhead

Trailhead Coordinates: 34.411400, -117.045100

Starting Point: Apple Valley, CA

Between Apple Valley and Lucerne Valley along Hwy.18, you'll turn off Hwy.18 onto High Road heading south towards the San Bernardino mountains (look for a sign at the corner of High Road and Hwy.18 that reads "RW Ranch" for a turn marker). Head south on High Road for about 3 miles, once you cross the railroad tracks make your first right onto Castle Rock Road (there are no street signs at the corner). Continue on Castle Rock Road for 0.5 miles to Orchard Drive - turn right on Orchard Drive. Continue straight for about 0.25 miles - the road will turn into dirt. After the road becomes dirt take your second left onto Road Runner (there are no street signs at the corner) - then continue for about another 0.25 miles to your second left onto Grapevine Canyon (start of trail).

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Trail Reviews (9)

Author:
Status: Open
Offroaded on:
Had some difficulty finding the trailhead, found the roads that crossed the rail tracks to be impassible, finally did find a way under the tracks and back to the trail. Also missed the turn at WP5, but JF3225 beyond was worth it, vary narrow winding path through some large rocks. Tried the left 3N17 near end, not in a WK2 Trailhawk alone, no, no. Looks like the Lucerne side has been graded, washouts remedied.

Author:
Status: Open
Offroaded on:
Rating:
Not a trail for people afraid of heights. Some of the off trails had me going “ holy fuck some people have balls to take their cars up those trails”. Good pucker moments on some of the washes filled with sand. Horse spring camp was nice and we found some hidden swings!!!! SHHHHHH... Will be back to camp at some spots we passed. Didn’t see anyone out there

Author:
Status: Open
Offroaded on:
Rating:
Did this trail from top to bottom with a stock Xterra and a 2000lb trailer. Hardly anyone was on the trail but the look on people's faces was priceless when they saw a trailer coming down the steep narrow road. It's beautiful and the bouldering/climbing area is fun to explore. Several washouts required careful navigation to prevent sideways slippage. It would be easy to get stuck in the edge of a washout. We accidentally dislodged a 500lb boulder with the trailer and had to deal with it. When wet, this would be a difficult trail to tackle.

Author: Official Crew
Status: Open
Offroaded on:
Rating:
All the washouts have been repaired. They added drainage to stop it from happening. The trail is a little rough past the top radio tower, but 2 we would be fine.

Author: Official Crew
Status: Partially Open
Offroaded on:
Every time it rains, the washouts on this trail get worse. Today (12/30/2018) I made it partway, but eventually had to give up and turn around. I was able to sneak by the first few road washouts by clinging to the uphill side; but about .25 mi. from the communications tower at the top of the hill, the washout was severe enough that I decided I'd prefer to turn back rather than taking a potentially big risk. I'm not saying that the road is impassable; but the simple truth is, I'm out here to explore & enjoy, not to risk slipping sideways off of a 15+ degree side slope washout and roll my jeep down 500 feet of hillside. Happily there was room to turn around and go back.

Author: Official Crew
Status: Open
Offroaded on:
Rating:
Took a fun little jaunt with a group of friends. We saw signposts noting that the road was washed out but we easily navigated around any damage. I could see someone possibly falling into them if they were not paying attention.

Author:
Status: Closed
Offroaded on:
Trip report: January 7, 2018 Please do not attempt to drive this trail all the way through. Many areas are washed out and road maintenance is required. Badly. I drove down this road in a 3500 dually truck, expecting it to be a nice, graded dirt road. The road from Fawnskin to 4N16 was fine, but this trail itself was quite difficult for a 2wd truck of this size. There are multiple places where the road is washed out after the communication tower. (coming from the Big Bear side.) There were a few instances where the tail end of my truck started to slide into the ravines caused by the washed out sections. I was almost not able to proceed due to this problem, as the truck began to slide into the wash and towards the cliff. Luckily, I was able to gas the truck enough to pull away from the edge of the road and out of the wash. I would not recommend taking this route unless you are highly proficient in off road driving, and possess a 4wd trail vehicle. The last wash we encountered took up about 1/4 of the width of the road. My buddies hopped out of the truck and guided me around it, but the sliding factor was still in play. In closing, I would only recommend driving on this road if you are comfortable with maneuvering around ravines and drive a 4wd vehicle.

Author:
Status: Closed
Offroaded on:
At mile 1.1 of the trail where you Turn right on trail BLM JF 3225, there are two posted road closure signs. The road has been washed out in two places we could see from the base of the trail. I little further of a drive up just past the closure notices confirmed the closure. Some drivers if you want may choose to go over the washed out section but most stock 4WD vehicles will not be able to pass. Was looking forward to this trail.... next time I guess!

Author:
Status: Partially Open
Offroaded on:
Road is closed(washed Out) just below the Communication Relay station (34.385822, -117.057161) as of September 1st, 2017.

Questions & Answers (1)

Q: Hello Fernando again. If I am planning a route is better to go up 3n14 then use the connection 3n11 to come down 3n17 or would be it better to go up 3n14 then connect using 4n16 to 3n17? I only ask this becuase of the hill climbs. Thank you in advance! This site is a wealth of information.
–Fernando cortes (10/08/2019)
–Josh Noesser (10/08/2019)

Writer Information

Josh Noesser

Mapping Crew - California

Joshua Noesser grew up in Southern California but has lived in different parts of the country during his young adult life. Josh was first turned to four wheeling when he road with one of his friends dad up Surprise Canyon in the Panamint Valley at age14. After nearly 3 different roll overs later and a half dozen intense waterfalls, Josh was hooked. At 16 he purchased his first Jeep a CJ 7 and by 17 was putting his first locker in it. Currently, Josh is the owner and CEO of Nybble, an IT Solutions Company based in Orange County, California. Nybble isn't your normal IT company where everyone stays in and plays video games. Nybble's average company trip is out on the trails since a good amount of his staff enjoy wheeling too. As Josh likes to say, he offers the only IT Company with the ability to provide services in extreme locations. "If you want a server at the top of The Hammers, we will take care of that for you." Today you can find Josh out on the trail behind the wheel in one of his three different off-road vehicles. See the vehicles below for more information. If you ever run into Josh, please say high, he is a very friendly person and is always happy to have a new person join the group.
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